Bit of a Problem

Now me being the mission lover who takes a bunch of time for missions and then bugging the staff to make more afterwards (thanks for more...ish). I have a bit of a problem.

Now I like the grading system, don't get me wrong. It is all a rather good idea. But I am not exactly happy with the requirements. Not that requirements are bad and what not but these seem a bit outrageous.

Just because the overall grading system is based on pages dont not mean that the mission system should be as well. The point of the mission is to do it in a limited amount of time while using as much skill as possible and complete the tasks. When page requirements are added it only ASKS for filler. Would you rather read filler when grading a mission or the actual mission itself? For those in Kumogakure who don't have many active ninja, leaving people to maybe do missions solo or with just two people, it becomes extremely difficult and almost impossible without adding in filler.

So I have a suggestion.

Instead of having the mission grading system like the thread grading system, where filler is actually okay since its more casual, I think they should be based more on skill (such as how the mission is handled and posting skills) rather than filler. Aka, take away the page requirements and replace it with something else (maybe post count and credibility of the posts?) or at leas tone the counts down.

For example a D rank you need 2 pages. Normally these are handled in teams and sure it may seem easy but how many teams have actually went on missions and completed them within the set time limit? But thats besides the point. D ranks are simple and unless you want someone mentioning them doing the same thing over and over and over and over again, the page count should be at least 1. C rank is a lot of the same unless its an escort of some sort or they can leave the village, then i would say 1 to 2 pages. Then B 3, etc etc.

I understand the higher you go the more requirements there are that may make posting more possible but 5 pages for S seems a lot more reasonable then 10. 75 posts.. or 150 + filler?

:/

Suggestions?

I kind of agree.
-When page requirements are added it only ASKS for filler.


Sure it's really easy to get to the 2 or even 3 page filler topic and with team mates its easy to hit 1 or 2 pages on a mission but this necessarily doesn't fit those who don't have a team, or those who can't find people that are not busy to do a mission with. Sometimes you will have to do a mission by yourself.

I got a few issues with it, and I really don't mean to be a jerk or a whiner, I'm just pointing out my own pros and cons about the mission system, so don't think bad of me lol. If nothing changes it's fine with me, I've already thought about other ways to gain from it than just monetary proft.

1. Since mission page requirements imply that you should do it with a team, why have the option for people to do missions solo? Surely thats just asking for them to not meet the requirements, or fill up the rest with filler. I think I can speak for everyone when I say that SA focuses mainly on quality and quantity in a post. Most of you good RPers can bust out a 1000wc average per post. If you were to do a D Rank mission solo you would need about 30kwc if you wanted to keep your average. If you broke all your posts up then I could see you possbily pulling off two pages, but idk if mods allow that. (Basically, take your 1000 word post and break it up by the minimums, so your 1k word post can turn into two posts if youre a Kage, etc etc)

2. I've been searching around the fourm and I haven't found a topic that has broke 5-6 pages straight RPing, so anything near B Rank will be near impossible to achieve solo. With a team yeah, it's possible but how much time would that take? Not to come off as impatient but I doubt a 5-6 page topic could be completed in about 2 weeks, it would take much longer and be more of a hassle than anything. *correct me if I'm wrong about the topic, and the 2 weeks thing is based off of OOC times to complete missions*

3. I see the trouble with missions from a moderators point of view. Word Count is too easy of a requirement when dealing with more than 1 person on a mission, because its too easy to achieve with two or more people posting. Page requirement is a good way to judge missions because it shows effort and not necessary word count, but then it offers no hope for the person doing a solo mission because it'd be near impossible to do it without filler.

4. Imo a compromise would be simple, since the site (imo) wants people posting and posting whenever they can, missions should be graded in different ways.

-Keep the page requriments for missions, but only use that to grade them for people going on teams. Basically, keep everything the same way it is if mutiple people sign up for a mission. Sly and Kuroda just hit 2 pages in their Cat mission, so getting the full reward is pretty much guaranteed.

-For people doing solo missions offer no page requirement, but they can only achieve up to half of th money gained. In my B Rank mission, I know there's no way in hell I can even reach two pages, and if I do big enough posts I can finish the mission in 3 or 4 posts, So since I chose to do it solo, then I don't have a page requirement, but I only get 350,000 bucks. That way, I have more incentive to do it with a team than to try and do everything by myself, but it offers me some reward if I do take it up by myself.


Just some ideas.

guys believe me, i asked gn about it, pages were supposed to mean posts for the mission system, and pages for regular thread grading. I had the same wtf attitude of how do u do ten effin pages for an S rank. Dont worry, its posts not pages. The wordings just fucked up xp

Saint wrote:

guys believe me, i asked gn about it, pages were supposed to mean posts for the mission system, and pages for regular thread grading. I had the same wtf attitude of how do u do ten effin pages for an S rank. Dont worry, its posts not pages. The wordings just fucked up xp

OH WHAT ARE U SERIOUS??!


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On a more serious note (lol) hopefully the minimum word count per post if it is by post should be at least 800-1000 cuz I don't see anyone downing a D Rank missin with like 450w in two posts.

Im just gonna give a quick run over this in the midst of dodging teachers

Nasamea wrote:

Now me being the mission lover who takes a bunch of time for missions and then bugging the staff to make more afterwards (thanks for more...ish). I have a bit of a problem.

Now I like the grading system, don't get me wrong. It is all a rather good idea. But I am not exactly happy with the requirements. Not that requirements are bad and what not but these seem a bit outrageous.

Just because the overall grading system is based on pages dont not mean that the mission system should be as well. The point of the mission is to do it in a limited amount of time while using as much skill as possible and complete the tasks. When page requirements are added it only ASKS for filler. Would you rather read filler when grading a mission or the actual mission itself? For those in Kumogakure who don't have many active ninja, leaving people to maybe do missions solo or with just two people, it becomes extremely difficult and almost impossible without adding in filler.

Well I honestly expected filler for C rank and Up missions, -starts quoting any mission in the anime/manga- there wasnt really any mission above C rank that didnt include any filler filler. And I'll be honest here as long as the goal is completed for the mission, it doesnt bother me any. And if you're so worried about those poor Kumo ninja maybe yall should start making a few

Nasamea wrote:

So I have a suggestion.

Instead of having the mission grading system like the thread grading system, where filler is actually okay since its more casual, I think they should be based more on skill (such as how the mission is handled and posting skills) rather than filler. Aka, take away the page requirements and replace it with something else (maybe post count and credibility of the posts?) or at leas tone the counts down.

See above comment about filler ^^ | Word counts are two easy to complete as Shi said, especially for those of us who can easilly post 500-1000 words. Post count wouldnt really be doing things any different than page count, the only difference is the number would be 16-30 posts rather than 2 pages.

Nasamea wrote:

For example a D rank you need 2 pages. Normally these are handled in teams and sure it may seem easy but how many teams have actually went on missions and completed them within the set time limit? But thats besides the point. D ranks are simple and unless you want someone mentioning them doing the same thing over and over and over and over again, the page count should be at least 1. C rank is a lot of the same unless its an escort of some sort or they can leave the village, then i would say 1 to 2 pages. Then B 3, etc etc.

I understand the higher you go the more requirements there are that may make posting more possible but 5 pages for S seems a lot more reasonable then 10. 75 posts.. or 150 + filler?

You guys are looking at two pages like it's so much. I am disappoint 2 pages is anywhere from 15-30 posts, which is 8-15 posts per person if you have at least two people. As I said, everything above B should ideally be done with at least 3 people and it is expected to take forever when you incorporate the entire process from traveling to completing the mission goal.

GN's little coup with the Daimyo was what 6+ pages and that was basically without pause or any specific travel, alot of those posts could easily be broken into two and the requirement would've been met.

I rather do like Shi's idea of halving the rewards for solo missions.


Idk wtf GN was smoking Taku, but he agreed to the pages when I wrote up the idea :p

Taku's thing combined with at least 1000 words per post is reasonable, and if you implement that for every person regardless of whos on the mission it makes things fair for everyone. Each person on the mission would need those two posts (if it was D Rank)

But if we stick to what life said and the mods allow us to break up posts then I guess that's fine too. Also implement my halving idea.

lifeanddeath wrote:

Im just gonna give a quick run over this in the midst of dodging teachers

I am still the better ninja...

lifeanddeath wrote:

Well I honestly expected filler for C rank and Up missions, -starts quoting any mission in the anime/manga- there wasnt really any mission above C rank that didnt include any filler filler. And I'll be honest here as long as the goal is completed for the mission, it doesnt bother me any. And if you're so worried about those poor Kumo ninja maybe yall should start making a few

Well of course there will be at least a little filler. But my point was 5 posts of filler vs like 10 to 15 posts of filler if not more to meet the overly high requirements. But if its posts and not pages and what not, then ok i suppose. Just... idk... fix it then.

I do have a Kumo ninja myself but not everyone has the time for maybe even 1 other ninja chara besides their first. And just because you dont care doesnt mean we dont.

lifeanddeath wrote:

See above comment about filler ^^ | Word counts are two easy to complete as Shi said, especially for those of us who can easilly post 500-1000 words. Post count wouldnt really be doing things any different than page count, the only difference is the number would be 16-30 posts rather than 2 pages.

Aye yeah but I was jsut throwing out an idea. Its better than nothing you know.. and nothing wrong with throwing out ideas sometimes as long as theyre related to the topic. I merely suggested it in case someone read it and was like "OH!" THEN BAM, new format. You never know.

lifeanddeath wrote:

You guys are looking at two pages like it's so much. I am disappoint 2 pages is anywhere from 15-30 posts, which is 8-15 posts per person if you have at least two people. As I said, everything above B should ideally be done with at least 3 people and it is expected to take forever when you incorporate the entire process from traveling to completing the mission goal.

GN's little coup with the Daimyo was what 6+ pages and that was basically without pause or any specific travel, alot of those posts could easily be broken into two and the requirement would've been met.

I rather do like Shi's idea of halving the rewards for solo missions.

Idk wtf GN was smoking Taku, but he agreed to the pages when I wrote up the idea :p

Im not THAT concerned about the 2 post limit. Its only when theres like barely anything in that mission that requires you to do anything except talk about the same stuff repeatedly. Then its just annoying. Its mainly the B and up im targeting. And it may not sound like much but when youre talking about the same shit over you may as well keep copying and pasting the same post and chance a few words. Which is pointless and a waste of time. Idea is to encourage rping right?

Just a quick example cause Im short on time here for a standard B rank of mission for your standard team of 3

Mission: Finding Bob and defeating the 3 B-C rank Shinobi who guard him

1 page is equivelent to 15 posts


Meet Team at Gate Intro thread: 3-12 posts [1 page]

Travel thread 3-6 [1 page]

Then the Mission:

Locating Bob [Icluding tracking, questioning locals what not] 15 posts[1 page]

Battle [10-30 posts] [1 -2 pages]

Finding Bob [6-15 posts] [1-2 pages]

Returning home 3--6 posts [1 page]

Boom mission complete

That's 7 pages total for a fairly simple B rank mission not including much filler